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Re: What binxo means
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- Subject: Re: What binxo means
- From: cowan (John Cowan)
- Date: Thu, 23 May 91 11:59:47 EDT
- In-Reply-To: <9105221903.AA12264@whistler.pic.ucla.edu>; from "pic.ucla.edu!jimc" at May 22, 91 12:03 pm
la djim. kartr. cusku di'e:
> Let's translate "my rat
> died" using the interpretation of binxo that John Cowan gave, with a
> backmap of what this really means in its full glory:
>
> lemi ratcu cu binxo lo morsi
> At present my (present) rat is identical to at least one small stiff,
> but formerly there was no stiff that my (former) rat was identical to.
...
> [T]he meaning "become"
> *ought* to be rendered with a predicate analogously to "la banthas.
> mlatu". However, I see no gismu with a more suitable set of arguments
> than binxo.
I see the force of your objection. "x1 becomes x2" has the difficulty
that x1 should still be self-identical after the change, and what are we
to do with "la xeris. binxo la selis."? Does this really mean that Harry
becomes Sally?
I think my main difficulty results from your loose terminology w.r.t. events
and predications. I take only the latter to have truth value.
Nixon died in 1968.
is a predication, and has a truth value (false), whereas
the event of Nixon's dying in 1968
is an event. This event did not happen, but that does not make it >false<.
Therefore your "x1 changes so that event x2 is true" should be rewritten as
"x1 changes so that property x2 (a one-place predicate) is true of it".
This can be readily represented in Lojban. The abstractor "du'u", grammatically
parallel to "nu", has the meaning "sentence/predication of":
mi pu cusku le du'u la xeris. morsi
I (past) express the predication-of Harry is-dead.
I said that Harry was dead.
So under this interpretation of the "binxo" place structure, "my rat died" is:
lemi ratcu binxo le du'u morsi
my rat changes-so-that the predication-of (it)-is-dead is true
where the x1 place of "morsi" is elliptically the rat.
Of course, this is not official LLG doctrine. :-)
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