In a recent posting I gave the example ... le jimkatbra be ne be'i la djan. the device *glue* *supplementary* sent-by john I was so concentrated on the glue function that I forgot, that "be" here is unnecessary since "ne" automatically sticks to sumti. And since the ne... phrase ends up in grammar rule "relative-clause<111>", it looks like "be" is actually ungrammatical. -- jimc