Another translation

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Not that I could be bothered entering the Loglan/Logjam war, but I was reading
a translation into Loglan from 1977, and it sucked. Thus I tried it instead.
Here's some text for y'all. And it's parsed, which gave me an unpleasant
surprise. More on that later.

Original.
Lancelot Law Whyte, p. 19 of Essay on Atomism, 1961.

Quantitative physics [is a] cumulative, self-correcting, systematically pursued
interplay of ideas and measurements, expressed in a mathematical theory. Physics
is thus the continuous critique of quantitative laws. Theory confronts
experiment, and both sides are a mixture of obscurity and clarity. On the one
hand, theory uses familiar obscure ideas which suggest a precise quantitative
calculus; while on the other, experiment uses obscure objects (material
apparatus, sources of energy, etc.) whose laws are not yet fully understood,
to obtain precise quantitative measurements. Unconscious assumptions are hidden
in the obscure ideas which have suggested the calculus, and unknown structures
and processes are exploited in the experimental situation which provides the
numerical results. [...] Thus the interplay of ideas and measurements improves
and extends both, by drawing previously concealed features out of the obscure
realms into the clarity of mathematics and of measurement.

J.R. Atkins' line-by-line of Loglan, The Loglanist, April 1977:

The-mass-of quantitative physics is an-event-of the-mass-off ideas tenselessly
interacting-with the-mass-of measure-numbers comma which-is additively hyphen
growing and self hyphen correct-makihg and systematically hyphen passive
hunt-gone-after and passive voice-done-by someone-x as the-mass-of mathematical
clear-make-systems. And-therefore-it-follows-that the-mass-of physics is-a
continuous event-of bad-saying-about the-mass-f quantitative all-truths. And
the-mass-of theories tenselessly oppose-do-says the-mass-of-events-of truth-
-test-doing; and the two part-groups are passive mixtures-of the-mass-of-
-properties-of clarity (and) the-mass-of-properties-of un-clarity. And on the
first side comma the-mass-of theories tenselessly uses the-mass-of un-new
type-of unclear ideas which suggest the-mass-of number-perfect and quantitative
entail-discover-sign-system. And on the second comma the-mass-of-events-of
experimenting tenselessly uses the-mass-of unclear physical-things open-paren-
-thesis the-mass-of material apparatus and the-mass-of sources of the-mass-of-
-properties-of energy and so-forth close-parenthesis such-that the-mass-of
laws about x were-and-are-now not completely passive comprehended comma (in
order to) the-mass-of-events-of getting the-mass-of precise type-of quantitative
measurements. And the-mass-of not conscious passive truth-picture-thoughts are
passive secretly-placed-by something-x in the unclear ideas which have suggested
calculus; and the-mass-of not passive known structures and processes are
passive win-place-seized in-and-at the-mass-of experimental causal-condition-
-sets which stores-give the-mass-of numerical passive entail-discovered.
Therefore the-event-of the-mass-of ideas tenselessly interacting-with the-mass-
-of measurements comma tenselessly better-makes and stretch-makes comma x and
y comma because-of the-event-of in-pulling the-mass-of-formerly passive hidden
passive qualities from the-mass-of unclear passive kinged-by into the-mass-of-
-properties-which the-mass-of mathematics and-jointly the-mass-of-the-events-of
measuring have-by-being clear.

Even excusing the tordidness of a word-by-worder, the word compounds here make
me wonder what drugs were available in the seventies.

Here's my lojban text:

le klani rarlanlyske cu ve jmina ce sevdrari'a ce se sisku betai lo ciste
be'o nu loi sidbo kuce loi te merli cu mitfra kei gi'e se cusku fo lo cmaci se
penti'i .i le rarlanlyske ru'i ja'o nu pajni loi klani rarfla .i lo sidbo cu
se karbi fi lonu cipra .ije ri .e ra cu se ckaji loika klina joi na'e klina
se jimpe .izu'u lo sidbo cu pliri'a fi loi se tcaju'o ke na'e se klijmi se
pensi noi penri'a fi lo satci ke klani cmacrkalkulo .izu'unai lonu cipra cu
pliri'a fi loi na'e se klijmi dacti nemu'u loi marji cabra .e loi krasi be
lo nejni be'o .e loi drata zi'enoi lei flalu be tu'ake'a punaijecanai se jimpe
ji'e noda ku'o mu'i lenu junri'a fi loi satci ke klani te minre .i loi na'e
se sanji se pruru'a cu na'e se facki pagbu lei na'e se klijmi sidbo poi jairi'a
finti le cmacrkalkulo .ije loi na'e se djuno stura ce pruce cu se pilno va'o
lenu cipra kei tcini noi junri'a fi loi namcu jalge .iseni'ibo lenu lei sidbo
kuce lei te minre cu mitfra cu xagri'a je zmari'a ri .e ra tai lenu sucri'a
fi loi pu na'e se sanji tcila be lo na'e se klijmi fe lo se klijmi pe lo cmaci
zi'epe loka te minre

and my (somewhat freer) translinguification (metaglwttish in Greek):

the quantity nature-analyse-science is-a result-of-adding 'n' self-correct-
-making and (sought in manner: a system) event: (ideas FRIGGING-TERMINATOR-KU
and measured-as-things mutually-react) and is expressed in form: a maths
think-proposed-thing. The physics is continuously (I conlcude) an-event:
someone judges quantity nature-laws. An idea is compared with an-event: testing.
And this and that one are characterised by the qualities: clear 'n' unclear
being understood. A: An idea makes someone use custom-known (not clear-
-understood thought-things) which make someone think of an exact (quantity
maths-calculus). B: An event: (testing) makes someone use not clear-understood
objects (eg. (material apparatus and sources (of energy) and other things))
such that (the laws about something to do with the objects weren't&aren't
understood with limit: nothing) with motive the event: (make someone know exact
(quantity measurements). The not aware-of-them previous-supposed-things are
not discovered parts of the not clear-understood ideas which were-the-cause-of
inventing calculus. And the not known structures 'n' processes are used in
environment: a (event: testing) situation which makes someone know number
results. It-follows: the event: (ideas ANOTHER-FRIGGING-TERMINATOR 'n'
measuremets mutual interact good-ifies and more-ifies them in manner: make
the past not aware-of details (of the not clear-understood) abstracted into
the clear-understood-thing to do with maths and to do with the quality of
being a measurement.

That FRIGGING TERMINATOR is there because, although I understand {lo sidbo
ce loi te minre} as two sumti and a link, the parser won't because it's
LALR(1). I respectfully submit that I don't give a shit what the parser accepts,
but I don't make the rules. *sigh*.

Comments requested.

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Nick S. Nicholas,                       "Rode like foam on the river of pity
Depts. of CompSci & ElecEng,             Turned its tide to strength
University of Melbourne, Australia.      Healed the hole that ripped in living"
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"Despite millions of dollars of research, death continues to be this nation's
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