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A pair of how-do-i-say-it's
- To: John Cowan <cowan@snark.thyrsus.com>
- Subject: A pair of how-do-i-say-it's
- From: Ivan A Derzhanski <cbmvax!uunet!cogsci.ed.ac.uk!iad>
- Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 17:22:24 GMT
- In-Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson"'s message of Tue, 17 Mar 1992 14:45:01 -0500 <28462.9203171946@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
- Reply-To: Ivan A Derzhanski <cbmvax!uunet!cogsci.ed.ac.uk!iad>
- Sender: Lojban list <cbmvax!uunet!pucc.princeton.edu!LOJBAN>
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1992 14:45:01 -0500
> From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <shoulson@EDU.COLUMBIA.CTR>
>
> <...> the {bu'a} series is like
> the {da/de/di} series (while {brodX} is like {ko'a/fo'a}). So far so good.
> Here's an example of a sentence I was plying with:
>
> George Bush is to the United States what John Major is to Great Britain.
>
> <...> You can use assorted
> circumlocutions to get this, but I think you ought to be able to use
> {bu'a}, since this is really what it's for. Just like {da} asserts "There
> is some sumti/object/concept/whatever that fills this place", {bu'a} should
> assert "There is some selbri/relationship that relates these sumti".
Suppose we really say something like "GB {bu'a} US & JM {bu'a} UK"
with whatever connective might be applicable between the two sentences.
And suppose {bu'a} really means that there is some selbri which
expresses a relation that holds for the given arguments.
So what we get is `exists R [R (g, a) and R (j, b)]'.
Now what did we say by stating this? Not much, it seems to me, for it
is evident that there are a lot of possible values for R which make
the sentence true. Say,
`c := lambda x lambda y [is_a_citizen_of (x, y)]',
`d := lambda x lambda y [has_spent_at_least_one_week_in (x, y)]',
and so on. In fact, it should be possible to say `ID {bu'a} UK & GB
{bu'a} US', because the sentence is true for {bu'a} = `d' (`x has
spent at least one week in y'). Yet if someone says in English "Ivan
is to the UK what George Bush is to the US", I'd give him a very
strange look.
What is going on? Since {da} really can mean any object/concept,
{bu'a} should be able to mean any relation, but it obviously doesn't.
Is this a problem similar to the one with the meaning of {na'e}?
Ivan