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logical connective question from Mark S.
- To: John Cowan <cowan@SNARK.THYRSUS.COM>, Eric Raymond <eric@SNARK.THYRSUS.COM>, Eric Tiedemann <est@SNARK.THYRSUS.COM>
- Subject: logical connective question from Mark S.
- From: Logical Language Group <cbmvax!uunet!GREBYN.COM!lojbab>
- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 01:43:34 -0500
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Mark Shoulson asks:
>
>\juf sent 015
>\zoi se mu'i le du'u la cev. na zanru lo xlali
>\luj se mu'i le du'u la *** na zanru lo xlali
>\gl 2nd because the the_sentence: that_named *** not approve a/the bad
>
>\zoi valsi .a le xlali _sel- ,zukte!
>\luj valsi .a le xlali se zukte
>\gl word or the bad 2nd act
>
>The {.a} makes sense in English, but I'm not so sure in Lojban. We need
>a conjunction paper pretty badly. By the common method of expansion
>Colin often uses with devastating effect (devastating to those who
>misuse conjunctions), we get
> {ga la cev. na zanru lo xlali valsi gi la cev. na zanru lo xlali selzukte}
> "[either] 'god' doesn't approve-of bad-words, [or, and possibly both]
> 'god' doesn't approve of bad things-acted."
>
>Hmmm. Doesn't seem quite right. Colin, you're good at
>conjunctions, what do you think?
Nora answers:
The nature of "na" is such that you cannot distribute it like this. You
must first move it up front (to the prenex) before using Colin's
expansion technique. (See the negation paper for extensive examples and
explanation). This gives:
\zoi se mu'i le du'u na zo'u la cev. zanru lo xlali
\gl 2nd because the the_sentence: not | that_named *** approve a/the bad
\zoi valsi .a le xlali _sel- ,zukte!
\gl word or the bad 2nd act
Or "It is false that (la cev. zanru A .a B)
This expands as predicted, but correctly to:
Or "It is false that (la cev. zanru A) .ija (la cev. zanru B)
This ends up working like DeMorgan's Rule
"It is false that la cev. zanru A, *and* it is false that la cev. zanru B."
This is what was wanted.
co'omi'e. noras.
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