Re: jorne

[Jim Carter <jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU>]

Lojbab replying about jorne:
> BTW, my dictionary (American as it may be) specifically mentions
> symbolism as an integral part of the defintion for flag, and for
> all but one definition of banner...

When I was younger I made a set of flags.  One was the personal
standard of the Count of Star Mountain (in Transylvania; he wore his
grandfather's cloak to school on cold days).  Two were not officially
authorized, i.e. were created by me, but were intended to symbolize
specific people.  And the last was simply an abstract design that I
found pleasing.  I would hold that all four are flags, even though the
last fails to fit either the Lojban or American definition since it
lacks a referent.  In the eye of the beholder the "referent" place is
filled by an implicit pronoun for the unknown (to him) referent.  When
he asks and finds out that there is no referent, what does he put in
the place?  I find that I fill the place with a special value for a
"potential" referent.  In other words, I will admit into a relation
an object that is missing some places.  Sloppy, sloppy...

Nonetheless, I support the "lean lujvo" idea of using BAI for many
presently defined miscellaneous places.  However, as an exception, I
find useful the 4 or 5 numbered places on motion words.  Fortunately
they are (or should be) uniform in definition.

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