Re: Existence and occurrence of events (was: ago24 & replies)

[ucleaar <ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk>]

Jorge:
> > > If the event I try for occurs, then I've succeeded. If some other related
> > > event occurs, but not the one I've tried for, then I've failed.
> > You're right if you translate it as {mi troci lo nu mi muvgau lo rokci}.
> > If you translate it as {mi troci lo nu lo rokci cu muvdu} then you're
> > wrong.
> Why? What do you mean by {mi troci lo nu lo rokci cu muvdu}?

I try to bring about an event of the rock moving. I try to get
the rock to move.

> Where does it say that I have to be the agent of the movement?

Nowhere.

> Does {troci} automatically have a {gasnu} implied, so that {mi
> troci lo nu <agentless event>} is really an elided form of {mi
> troci lo nu mi gasnu lo nu <said event>}?

No.
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