ZAhO and tanru

[ucleaar <ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK>]

> The underlying concept in Lojban is that all tenses are in a sense an
> abbreviation for a second subordinate bridi that restricts the main
> bridi to a particular range of space/time, after the manner of BAI and
> fi'o + bridi.

I see true tenses, i.e. PU, as predicated of the invisible event argument
that is rendered accessible by {nu}. The tenses tell us when the event
happened.

> Thus, modifying your expression:  da ba'o citno turnyjatna nunturni
> x is in the aftermath of the young president governing
> could transform into something like
> da citno turnyjatna nunturni
> x is a young president governing
> .i le cabna cu bavlamji lenu go'i
> The space-time reference is immediately after the previosu event.

(You just need {le gohi}, not {le nu gohi}.)

{da balvi le citno turnyjatna nunturni} does just as well. It is an
extremely uninformative bridi, by the way.

> ZAhO SHOULD NOT work quasi-tanruishly - they should work tensishly.

They should work tensishly in that that is their intention. But at
present I cannot see a rationale for that.

> Use the tense-based gismu (and lujvo for ZAhOs - there might be some
> validity to an argument that they should be assigned gismu as well)

Well I won't put that argument just yet. My current argument is first
that I've yet to see anything tensey (as opposed to aspectual) about ZAhO,
and second that when I did struggle to understand them with the
assistance of Jorge, I ended up thinking them quasi-tanruish.

For example, consider {mi coa citka}. That must say more than that
the eating has a beginning, because every eating has a beginning.
So I have been understanding it to be creating a new selbri with
predictable meaning "begin to eat", so {le nu coa citka} or {nu zei
coa zei citka} is an achievement rather than an activity. But now
you seem to be saying that it means "I begin to eat now", while
{mi bao citka} wd mean "I am no longer eating". So: mutce cfipe
(or whatever "confusion" is).

If we must have ZAhOs, I like them better working in the quasitanruish
NAhE way.

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And