Re: zo djuno ce zo jetyju'o

[Don Wiggins <dwiggins@BFSEC.BT.CO.UK>]

la .and zo'u
> Are we really going to have to interrogate
> Lojbab at inordinate length about the meaning of every gismu. And
> note that even the gismu that seem straightforward, e.g. djuno, can
> turn out not to be.

There does not seem to be much alternative than to thrash out the meaning as we
 appear to have finally managed with 'djuno'.

> How do we choose between them? - e.g. if we are going to use {djuno},
> which meaning will we intend it to have? Do we just ask Lojbab to
> pronounce on the matter, and do our best to understand what his
> pronouncements mean, and just swallow and accept it if they turn out
> to be incoherent, or do we actually deliberate the issue, looking
> at the intrinsic sensicality of the candidate meanings, and their
> relationship to the meanings of other Lojban vocables?

The problems with 'djuno', to my mind, have stemmed from the keyword and the
 meaning of the definition.  The keyword is 'know' and there are some who have
 used this to subjugate the meaning to the English semantics.  The definition
 uses epistemology and until the debate about 'djuno' I had no idea what this
 was or that it is in fact independent of truth.  If one doesn't understand the
 definition, how can one possibly use the it correctly and the only way to
 understand it is by this very process of discussion.

ni'oco'omi'e dn.