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Re: Three grammar questions
- To: cbmvax!uunet!math.ucla.edu!jimc
- Subject: Re: Three grammar questions
- Date: Wed, 8 May 91 14:43:13 EDT
- Apparently-From: snark!cowan
- In-Reply-To: <9105071507.AA12755@luna.math.ucla.edu>; from "math.ucla.edu!jimc" at May 07, 91 8:07 am
la djim. kartr. cusku di'e:
> 1. la bantas. mlatu -- Bantha is a cat.
> Is /cu/ required, or conversely, is "bantas. mlatu" (Bantha
> runner?) a tanru? Or is this suppressed merely because the first
> term is a name?
"cu" is not required, and this is not a tanru. Names are acceptable in
only two contexts in Lojban (other than inside quotes, of course):
"la bantas." = "the-one-named Bantas"
"doi bantas." = "O Bantas!"
You can substitute any member of COI for the "doi", provided there is a
separating pause; you can also omit the COI/DOI altogether at the
beginning of text.
> 2. la bantas. cu klama fi le stizu mi -- Bantha goes from the chair to
> me? or via me? After an explicit caselink, following unnumbered
> sumti fill unoccupied cases in order, or numbers after the
> explicit one?
The official answer is "numbers after the explicit one".
The word "caselink" is bogus, bogus, bogus! Even accepting the term
"case" as a substitute for "place", these don't link anything.
"{case,place} marker" is more like it.
> 3. ko'a stizu -- it is a chair (from lesson 2). Am I correct that this
> is technically incorrect since ko'a has not been assigned an
> antecedent with goi? Correct would be ti goi ko'a /cu/ stizu
Yes, this is incorrect. Ko'a-series pro-sumti are meaningless until
assigned.
> 4. All of us had a lot of resistance to the pauses after names,
> particularly zo lojban. I even told them (incorrectly) that it
> is a lujvo. (My excuse: I'm used to thinking of N as a vowel.)
ko cortu zo'o
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e'osai ko sarji la lojban