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Re: xebro
- To: cbmvax!uunet!think.com!gls (Guy Steele)
- Subject: Re: xebro
- From: eric (Eric S. Raymond)
- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 18:44:16 EDT
- Cc: lojban-list
- In-Reply-To: <9106141659.AA26529@strident.think.com>; from "Guy Steele" at Jun 14, 91 12:59 pm
Your characterization of equality as a semi-predicate argues more strongly
for a linguistic divorce between `formal identity' (which is an exact,
"computable" predicate in your terms) and the approximate `material' equality
in language (which is not).
> But I begin to think that equality figures so centrally in language
> because the most important function of language is to be predictive
> and imperative rather than descriptive; descriptive power is important
> only in the service of other purposes. In other words, language is
> concerned with the future rather than the past; it is about predicting
> what will happen and causing things to happen.
I agree with this. In fact, I can ground it more formally than you have;
you are asserting that language is not an empiricist construct but an
operationalist one, in the full technical meaning of those terms. You
are close to what I understand of Heidegger's concept of `zuhandinen',
this idea of language and thought as a kit of tools which one is
constantly in the process of rearranging.
> Now talk of the
> future is necessarily approximate and speculative, so it's okay
> to use "is", which has the same properties, in that kind of framework
> for most purposes.
In fact, I don't think your conclusion follows from your premise. If talk
of the future is necessary speculative, semantic hygiene is *more* important,
not less --- it is *more* important that `predictive' equality be marked as
a semi-predicate, a slippery thing.
--
Eric S. Raymond = eric@snark.thyrsus.com (mad mastermind of TMN-Netnews)
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