Re: non-restrictive sumti?

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> Is it possible in Ljb to distinguish restrictive and non-restrictive
> sumti?

I think the following sentences will do the job, but I do not speak as
sub-pope here. :-)  Note that in both cases the sumti are essentially
abstractions.

> E.g.     Excreting, whose x1 is an instance of an animal, is prevalent
>               on London streets.

	le nu da noi mabru cu vikmi cu cafne vi loi klaji be la lyndn.
	(the event-of something-1, which-incidentally is-a-mammal, excreting)
		is frequent near the-mass-of streets at London.

> v.       Excreting such that its x1 is a dog is prevalent on London streets.

	le nu da poi gerku cu vikmi cu cafne vi lo klaji be la lyndn.
	(the event-of something-1 which is-a-dog excreting)
		is-frequent near the-mass-of streets at London.

or more briefly

	le nu lo gerku cu vikmi cu cafne vi lo klaji be la lyndn.
	(the event of some dog(s) excreting) is frequent near, etc.

> Or,
>          His love, which he felt only for Sophy, was ardent.

The "only" is an extra element here, and one of the most difficult to
represent clearly in Lojban.  I will therefore translate only the
non-restrictiveness rather than the exclusiveness as well.

	le nu ko'a prami da no'u la sofis. cu carmi
	(the event-of he-1 loving something-1, which-incidentally-is Sophy)
		is-intense.

> v.       His love for Sophy was ardent.

	le nu ko'a prami la sofis. cu carmi
	(the event-of he-1 loving Sophy) is-intense

> Obviously sumti are normally restrictive but sometimes one might want
> to add them nonrestrictively.

Since both your examples involve embedded event abstractions, I would be
interested in seeing examples which did not involve such.

> p.s. My (perhaps widely-welcomed) non-participation in the recent profuse and
> recondite discussions on this list is due not to lack of enthusiasm but
> rather to a brain hopelessly addled by the loftiness of the intellectual
> heights at which the discussions have been taking place. Hello from me
> down there on the lowly ground, anyway.

The list runs in cycles like that.  At the moment, we seem to be in a
"deep-structure" phase.  At least it's better than the "4th tense" dispute.


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