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gadri
- To: John Cowan <cowan@snark.thyrsus.com>
- Subject: gadri
- From: cbmvax!uunet!oasis.icl.co.uk!I.Alexander.bra0122
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loi gadri zo'u
The distinction between {le} and {lo} (and their variants)
seems to serve a multitude of purposes.
le vs. lo
the vs. a
specific vs. non-specific
definite vs. indefinite
non-veridical vs. veridical
already-known vs. unknown
I'm still trying to make up my mind which of these properties
amount to the same thing.
As far as I can make out, the "veridical" distinction is the
most fundamental. {le cukta} means
"the-thing-which-I-am-describing-as-a book", but with the
rider that I don't feel the need to be more specific, because
I expect you to know from the context which book I am talking
about. This is an alternative way of referring to previously-
mentioned sumti, without always assigning a KOhA.
Note that this makes the specific/definite descriptions
ambiguous. When I use {le}, I _am_ referring to something
specific, *but I'm not specifying it now*. It is something
which has been specified earlier. When I use {lo}, I am
almost certainly immediately going to start telling you
enough about it so that it becomes specific.
Having talked myself through to this point, it all seems
remarkably straightforward - the above properties are all
essentially the same - which probably means I've lost sight
of the real problem. I've certainly had as much trouble
in the past choosing the right gadri as anyone else.
So I need to go away and actually write some Lojban
(I haven't done that for _ages_ :), try to put the above
theory into practice, and see if it works.
But just a final warning that I don't think we should
try and put too much reliance on the _descriptive_
nature of {le}. If I want to describe something as
{le ratcu}, even though it isn't really, because I
can't think of any better word, or for some other reason
("the so-called rat" - no that would be {la ratcu}),
I don't think {le}'s the answer.
Iain.