Re: comments on the batch of lujvo etc. psoted thus far

[Jorge LLambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>]

Comments on some of the comments:

> >milna'u         mulno namcu     integer (whole-number)
>
> copies the common metaphor.  But the significance of that metaphor
> is lost to most people - it is I think the contrast with fractional
> hence perhaps no'e frinu namcu (they aren't really non-fractional
> since they can be expressed fractionally) or na'e pagbu namcu

Please, not {no'e frinu}. That can be nothing but irrational, i.e.
non-rational, not a fraction.

And how is {na'e pagbu} clearer than {mulno} ?

> >cluna'u         culno namcu     complex (full-number)
>
> Complex numbers with only a real and "i" component would be re cimde
> namcu or even plita namcu.
>
Are there any other complex numbers?
{plite mamcu} sounds good.

>
> negative numbers might also be fatne namcu or even nonmlecynamcu
> with positive numbers being nonzmadynamcu
>

Not {fatne namcu}, {fatne} is something like reverse order, like 10, 9, 8, ...
I like the other two.


> >Irrational number would be: no'e frinu namcu => norfrinyna'u
>
> Per above, I would see this as whole numbers.  no'e means neutral on the scale
> and the irrationals are the complement set.
>
Irrationals are neutral on the scale of being fractions. It is a zero-one scale,
a number either is or is not a fraction.

Is {frinu} the mathematical sense of fraction, or the everyday sense?


> >> brooch              X1 is a brooch
> >ra'etci         ralte tutci     (hold-tool)
>
> I think you have a dfferent word in mind - pliers is what the local
> group thought your tanru suggested, or possibly wrench.  A brooch is
> a jewelry item which is pinned on.
>

Yes, I was translating the Spanish "broche", which means both "brooch"
and "clip, clasp, fastener".

>
> >> degree              X1 IEC X2 times one degree of angle 1/360 of a circle.
> >julra'o         junla radno   (clock-radian)  (In the same spirit as
> >                              djacu kelvo for degree Celsius. Clock divisions
> >                              are integer numbers of degrees)
>
> a reasonable metaphor if not one that people are likely to recognize. djacu
> kelvo is after all derived from the definition of the Celsius scale.
>

People won't recognize it, but it's easy to remember once explained. Or
are all lujvo supposed to be self-explanatory?

> Since degrees are a "local" i.e. non-metric angle measurement, it might
> be worthwhile finding out what culture (Greek, Latin, Arabic?) first
> assigned the division of a circle into 360 units, then call it xelso
> radno, or whichever.  That would fit the pattern thus far used for local
> units.

I wouldn't say degrees are a "local" unit. Whatever their origin they're
much less so than radians, which are "local" to the scientific community.


> >> roundtrip           X1 makes a round trip from X2 to X3 and back, via X4
> >
> >davdevjevdevdavklama :-) (dev is not in the rafsi list but I need it!)
>
> %^) once we figured it out - using non-standard rafsi often leaves one
> clueless.  How about clupa litru or clupa klama
>

If roundtrip means in a loop, ok. If it means going and coming back via
the same route, then clupa doesn't work.


> >> vertex,point        X1 is a vertex (point) of polygon X2 Also for polyhedra
>  and
> >>  higher dimensions.
> >jipnymokca      jipno mokca     (vertex-point)
>
> actually kojna may be the best basis for this one

The definition I have for {kojna} says at-least-three-dimensional.


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