Re: Events, Sisku, le, lo

[JORGE JOAQUIN LLAMBIAS <jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR>]

>> Could someone explain what an "intension" is?
>
>As I learned it, the referent of a set in extension is all of the members
> separately.
>Example:
>
>    mi nelci ro lo mlatu
>    I like all cats = I like cat #1 AND I like cat #2 AND etc. etc.
>
>Whereas, the referent of a set in intension is the set itself:
>
>    mi nelci lo'i mlatu

What is "the referent of a set"?

As I understand it, sets can be defined by intension or by
extension. For example this is the same set defined two
ways: {2,4,6,8} = {x/x is an even integer between 1 and 9} .

Another example, suppose I have three cats, then these
two would be the same set: {la tom ce la feliks ce la floras},
the set defined by extension, and {le'i ci mlatu pe mi}, the
same set defined by intension.

>I'm not really sure what that would mean, applied to cats, which are not
>collective creatures, although to me it makes
>a lot more sense when used for numbers and things like that.  British usage
> makes the distinction:
>
>    It was revealed that the government _are_ corrupt (each politician
> individually)
>    Therefore the government _is_ about to fall (as a collective unit)

But this doesn't have to do with intension/extension, as far as I
understand it.

>And now the thread wanders off into masses (loi), and I think
>I've done enough damage for today.

Right, that's the distinction you are making here, not much to do
with descriptions by intension/extension. It rather has to do with
collective/distributive reference: {lei turni} = those that govern
taken as a whole, {le turni} = each of those that govern. Here
we are making reference to different entities: in one case a
single entity, in the other case each of several entities.

Suppose that there are 4 people who govern, to make it simple.
Then you can refer to the set of those who govern either by
extension: {le pamoi turni ce le remoi turni ce le cimoi turni
ce le vomoi turni} or by intension: {le'i turni}.

In both cases you're referring to the same object.

You can say something about each of them by extension:
{le pamoi turni e le remoi turni e le cimoi turni e le vomoi turni
cu klama le zarci}

Or you can say the same thing about each of them
by intension: {le vo turni cu klama le zarci}

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