Re: still on nu & fasnu...

[Logical Language Group <lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>]

>> >Of course, if "fasnu" means an actual event, then what I oroginally
>> >said was correct, and {lo nu broda cu fasnu} is false.
>>
>> Which it cannot be since that is the definition of fasnu and nu (both).
>> This is an echo of  ckaji/ka and klani/ni
>
>The refgram not only fails to claim this, but is pretty clear in
>disclaiming it:
>
>  "The following table gives each abstractor, an English gloss for it,
>   a Lojban gismu which is connected with it (more or less remotely: the
>   associations between abstractors and gismu are meant more as memory
>   hooks than for any kind of inference),..."
>
>This sounds pretty clear to me that {lo nu broda cu fasnu} can indeed
>--More--
>be false, with no difficulty at all.  This seems natural and useful
>to me: the actual predication of an event happening via {fasnu} can be
>used to give it tense, quantity, and other features (like reality),
>while {nu} can remain abstract.

That's what I wanted to say, but answering And tends to put be in positions
where by hands trip over the keyboard and I say things I don;t mean.

>Of course, that makes a lot of current
>uses of {nu} to refer to actual events ambiguous; but as long as we
>define it as such,

semantically ambiguous is fine.  Much of the language is semantically
ambiguous.  We did not try otherwise.

>but as long as we
>define it as such, and further define {fasnu} to mean actual occurrence,
>we can choose the level of ambiguity we want.

Agreed.  Glad someone can see through the fog of my thinking in the middle of
the night.

lojbab
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