Re: Summary so far on DJUNO

["Jorge J. Llambías" <jorge@INTERMEDIA.COM.AR>]

>>>.i pe'i .iadai le nuzba befi la .ia,us cu fatci
>
>>But you never know with attitudinals. Is that to be taken as
>>       i pe'i ( iada'i (le nuzba ... cu fatci)  )
>>i.e., is my opinion about the others' belief? I'm not sure. Maybe it means
>>that it is my opinion _and_ others' belief that...
>
>This is a good point.  Why has the scope of attitudinals been left
ambiguous?  I
> reckon there are only two possible interpretations: 'about' and 'and'.
There
> needs to a convention for choosing which is wanted.

There should be a convention, but I'm not sure how much the issue
has been explored. I think that the "and" interpretation is what the refgram
suggests, but then the other one seems more useful...

>>Also, pe'i only works for current opinions. In this case, the original
>>says  "I thought that ...", which suggests that the opinion may now
>>be under reconsideration, perhaps he no longer thinks that.
>
>The cmavo ba'a does that.
>
>    .i ba'anai pe'i .iadai le nuzba befi la .ia,us cu fatci
>       I remember thinking someone else believed that Yahoo news is fact.

Yes! That works if each attitudinal refers to all that follows in the
sentence.

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