I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, but maybe it would be better to consider lujvo: kelzu'e x1 plays x2 (activity) with plaything/toy/props x3; z1=k1 z2 (z3=nu kelci) k2 Also, {pagbu} can be (and has been) used to mean "x1 participates/ takes part in x2", which can mean "plays" when x2 is a game. Jorge