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Wallops #8
- To: John Cowan <cowan@SNARK.THYRSUS.COM>, Eric Raymond <eric@SNARK.THYRSUS.COM>, Eric Tiedemann <est@SNARK.THYRSUS.COM>
- Subject: Wallops #8
- From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <cbmvax!uunet!CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU!shoulson>
- Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 17:08:50 -0400
- In-Reply-To: nsn%MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU's message of Wed, 1 Jul 1992 12:11:54 +1000
- Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" <cbmvax!uunet!CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU!shoulson>
- Sender: Lojban list <cbmvax!uunet!CUVMB.BITNET!pucc.Princeton.EDU!LOJBAN>
>Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 12:11:54 +1000
>From: nsn%MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU
Some comments, mostly on the grammar and stuff, not vocab.
>melu la xrist. na.enai la pacrux. seljdadji da li'u
>.ika'u la pacrux. klama la xrist. gi'e bacru lu pe'ipei xu do jinvi ledu'u
>leti cange bakykakpa goi ko'a xriso li'u .i lu pe'i go'i li'u selcru la
>xrist. i lu do srera to'i la pacrux. spuda toi .i le kakpa cu me cai ba'e
>mi sa'e
I don't like your usage of {ko'a me mi} for "he's mine". {me} is one of
lojban's ambiguity-flags; the converted sumti could mean just about
anything. In general, I'd be *far* more likely to figure that {me mi}
meant "is me" (similar to {du mi} or {mi'e}) than "is mine". That
interpretation is consistent with ways I've seen {me} used quite a bit
(even by you, Nick.) I'd go for {ko'a srana mi} or {ko'a se ponse mi}
(maybe), or some such. Stylistically, I'm not sure I like the {selcru}.
In this case, you really mean a plain {bacru}, just with inverted places.
I'd prefer to see {se bacru} than {selcru}, even though both mean
"is-a-thing-uttered[-by...]." A minor nitpick. Maybe {cusku}'s better
than {bacru}, too.
>ni'o ca le bavlamdei ke clira clira la xrist. joi la pacrux. klama le cange
>po ko'a gi'e se mipstu loi stani
You seem fond of doubling brivla in tanru for emphasis, I'm not sure it's a
good idea. I think Ivan has picked up on you for that once or twice. The
tanru as a whole looks a little awkward, and I suspect that {je'a clira} is
better than {clira clira}.
> .i le kakpa cu sutra sutra klama gi'enai
>kruce jdaxanmu'u gi'e lasna le bakni le kakpybra gi'e co'a renro lei tsiju
Ditto here. {sutra sutra} is even more confusing than {clira clira}. I
think you can get into real trouble with this in cases like {kandi kandi},
or other "negative" words. Does the first {kandi} augment or diminish the
second? Is something that's "dimly dim" *very* dim, or "dim at being dim"
in the sense of just barely dim? (Bad example, I know).
Just some thoughts, I liked the story!
~mark