Goran > Yes, but we do not differentiate between kamkantu and kamselkantu in > gliban. Do we distinguish them in Lojban? After all, {ka kantu kei} means the same as {ka se kantu kei}; or is there some jvajvo convention that makes {kamkantu} = {ka kea kantu kei} and {kamselkantu} = {ka kea se kantu kei}? I suppose such a convention is a good idea, if you like jvajvo. coo; mie and